Talk:List of Animated Media

Chapter and Episode article names

Ok, just so you don't run into this problem in the future (as well as for overall better organization), naming chapter and episode articles by serialization is something that should be considered. Why? Well, considering the wikia is seemingly using fan-translations, a lot of titles for the chapters and episodes will be the same. Not only that, but most the titles for Dragon Ball Kai are very similar, to the their Dragon Ball Z counterparts. There are even some cases where the Z & Kai titles are exactly the same. Given there are 2 manga serials and 5 anime serials, it would be much better just to name articles by serial. It would be very annoying to have a manga chapter, Z episode and Kai episode all with similar or the same name whenever you try and search for it. I also think it would be easier for people to search by serialization number (as it would be easier to remember), and we can use re-directs for anyone who prefers to search by chapter/episode name (we will have disambiguation page for any chapters and episodes that share the exact same name). What are your thoughts?
By the way if you need someone who can do basic translations (not perfect, but I'm usually pretty accurate), let me know (I currently handle the majority of translations of episode titles One Piece wikia and chapter/episode titles on the Fairy Tail wikia, and the Kai/Super titles on the other Dragon Ball wiki) --DuelMaster93 (talk) 00:58, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Usually, when that happens, a simple title addition can be made. For instance a chapter titled "The Legendary Super Saiyan" would be "Legendary Super Saiyan (chapter)", an episode would then be "Legendary Super Saiyan (episode)" or "Legendary Super Saiyan (Kai)". We already do this with several of our articles. Though your suggestion is very interesting, so I'll let others chime in on this. Secondly, as far as translations go: we use Daizenshuu (they do some translations on their own, surprisingly), a friend of ours (User:Seelentau) who is fluent in Japanese, and my own rudimentary knowledge of the language to read it. I can handle basic translations, such as words and small sentences. But, that being said, we need all the help we can get, so definitely I'd be happy to have you on board as a translator when we need it. ~ Lord Guru 01:06, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

While the method you currently have works, it is the less ideal one when it comes to organisation and ease of use. Usually, with most other series naming by chapter/episode name is fine. But in this case we have 2 manga serials (not counting manga spin-offs other than super atm) and 5 anime serials (one of which is a remake). I think serial number is much easier to remember, and I believe that there are more people who prefer to search by serial number, then by episode name. And, as stated before, we can always re-direct. And in my personal opinion it makes more sense to re-direct chapter/episode title to episode pages, than the other way round.

Ok good. I also just noticed you just changed the episode titles for Dragon Ball Super episodes 4 & 5 to the translations I provided for the other Dragon Ball wiki (yes, those are my translations), and made some minor changes to match this wiki's names terminology. FYI, the only reason I translated using dub terminology was because that is what that wikia uses. —This unsigned comment was made by DuelMaster93 (talk • contribs) .

To add on what Ten Tailed Fox is saying, we would also use Disambiguation pages, such as this one, and have the title that the episodes/chapters/volumes share redirect to that page. ★WindStar7125 01:26, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

I really find your suggestion to be interesting, DuelMaster. I'm not against it, but I'd like everyone else's input. What do you guys think about his suggestion? ~ Lord Guru 01:27, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with his idea on redirects. ★WindStar7125 01:33, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

@Windstar I mentioned disambiguation pages in my initial post. Anyway, the problem with the example just gave me was that, I had to spend a good 20 seconds reading every line of that page. Ideally, when I look at that page I would like to see: 'Chapter 90', 'Chapter 155' 'Volume 13' and 'Dragon Ball Episode 64' rather then read 'Son Goku's Counterattack, the ninetieth chapter of the Dragon Ball manga.', 'Son Goku's Counterattack, the one hundred and fifty-fifth chapter of the Dragon Ball manga.' etc. etc... People don't won't to stay on disambiguation pages for too long. I'm sure people would want to get to their desired page in a matter of seconds (as opposed to reading for a bit to determine which page is the one you want).--DuelMaster93 (talk) 01:37, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Would this work? And we do have redirects such as this. ★WindStar7125 01:40, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

I would prefer that the link themselves say Chapter 90 rather then have the serialization number on the side. Also, I think it's better to re-direct the chapter/episode titles to the chapter/episode pages. Simply put, I believe that Chapter 90 should be the main page. It is also easier for when we create new chapter/episode pages. For example, sometimes when I create a page for a new episode, if I make one mistake when typing the title, I have rename the page. When you make let's say 'Dragon Ball Super episode 6' for example, you can just simply do 1 edit to correct it, rather than make 1 additional edit just to re-name the page. Not only that, but the thing about episode titles is that there are so different translations floating around on the net, so someone could try searching with a translation we don't use and not find what they're looking for. By making the serialization numbered page the main page, they are more likely to find what they're looking for faster. Also, a lot of fans watch the dub, so either we do my suggestion or we create pages using dub episode titles (which I do not want to do). The possibility of constant re-naming of pages could get very annoying.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 01:56, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

So far, we've been using kanji, rōmaji, and translations from Kanzenshuu.com. As for your suggestion for renaming this page to Chapter 89 (unless I misinterpreted "I believe that Chapter 90 should be the main page" as you said), I believe for the sake of consistency, we'd use official names. Also, one can just type "Chapter 89" or so in the search bar at the top and be directed to the respective named chapter, and find what they're looking for in arguably the same amount of time due to it being a redirect. Furthermore, we just use the dub names as redirects to the episode page as well, as typing in the dub name would cause the article to appear in the search bar. ★WindStar7125 02:15, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

It's better if we use the offical name of the chapter. And the numbered chapter should be redirected from it. But, if we use this numbered one for the Infobox' character' Début, it may save much space. Right? — The Tragedy of L

I also use Kanzenshuu as my source for everything Dragon Ball. We are all using official names here, what I am talking about is translations. There are a range of different translations on the net, and it would easier just to make Chapter 50 the main page, because not everyone knows that these re-directs exist. For example, someone clicks on Who Will the 100 Million Zeni Peace Reward Go To…?! on the wikia's main page and then assumes all episode pages are like this and are unaware that re-directs like Dragon Ball Super episode 1 exist, so when they want to look for let's say Dragon Ball Super episode 5, they might attempt to type in the episode title but can't find it due to the wikia using a different translations to the version they watched. Not to mention it would be easier to edit templates by just typing the serial number. I hope I made myself clear this time.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 02:35, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

To my knowledge and from my experience, as for chapters, most users are going to be more likely to remember and be looking for the chapter numbering rather than the chapter name, due to chapters having multiple translated titles as you said, or chapters not having the name of the chapter in English shown at all like this, with only the chapter numbering apparent. Therefore, the chapter numbering as a redirect should be fine in that scenario, as one can type "Chapter ##" and be redirected to the named chapter this wikia uses.

As for episodes, yes, you are correct, users will recognize the dubbed titles, as episode numbering isn't really revealed while watching the episode. In that scenario, assuming a user won't know that redirects such as Dragon Ball Super episode 1 exist, you are also correct in the assertion that they will be searching for the titles they recognize. The title in that case will more than likely be the dub title, and it can just redirect to the wikia's translation of the title.

For instance, someone watches GT and sees and recognizes A Devastating Wish on the TV screen. They can search for it, and will be redirected to The Mysterious Dragon Balls Appear!! Goku Becomes a Child?!. The title they recognize from what they watched can be redirected to the different translation this wikia uses; while the user finds the summary they're looking for, they will also discover what the episode is referred to in Japanese, all while maintaining a level of consistency in using translated titles for most articles of this wiki.

EDIT: This thread is also an interesting read as well, as I can see now where you are coming from, DuelMaster93. But again, the dub title could redirect to the wiki's Kanzenshuu-translated title. ★WindStar7125 03:37, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Holy crapbaskets did I miss a lot while I was away. First, welcome to the Wiki DuelMaster, nice to have you on board. So...since my two cents is apparently desired, I'm gonna go on record to say I'm not in favour of this myself. As far as it is, I don't see a reason to change the article names from, say, "Son Goku's Counterattack!" to "Dragon Ball Chapter 90" , or, again, "Son Goku's Counterattack!" to "Dragon Ball Chapter 155", and then be on our merry way, with the chapter names being the redirects. I'm far more comfortable as leaving the chapter numbers and episode numbers themselves being redirects. However, this is from a personal standpoint, as you have a point, there's much more media for Dragon Ball than say, Naruto or BLEACH, where everything is simpler and easier to document. Listing chapter and episode titles by their serial number as their article title (say, Bulma and Son Goku to Dragon Ball Chapter 1 would probably make far more sense in the long run, given that all of these series have an "episode 1", having that as the redirect would be painful given how many "episode 1"s exist, it'd just take them right to a disambiguation page just to find the precise episode 1 they want, which could get annoying after awhile. And yet I wonder how many people will want to type in "Dragon Ball Super Episode 1", as opposed to just episode one; so, generic numbered title or actual title, they're going to be typing in more than most people would probably care for. I also do get that there are multiple fantranslations that some people could be using (I think that tripped me up on Narutopedia once, and I simply had to go find the bloody chapter number), but I still say redirects can be used to solve that problem if people would have just a little patience to type in something more (Episode 1 (Dragon Ball) could just as easily take them to the episode page, complete with it's actual title still intact, and spare us the awkward article titles). But that's just me. In short, I don't entirely agree, but I can't do much if the rest of the wiki does.— Mina Țepeș 05:02, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that not every person who visits this wiki knows these re-directs exist. I didn't even know they existed until it was pointed out to me. If I never started this discussion, I would have to go out of my way to find the exact name of the chapter every single time. If a new visitor clicks on [[Who Will the 100 Million Zeni Peace Reward Go To…?! from the wikia's main page, and they see that the page is named by episode title, they're gonna assume every episode is like that, and they're going to think they have to type in episode title to remember because they don't know these re-directs exist. And yes, typing in 'Dragon Ball Super episode 5' is kinda long, but not as long as 'Decisive Battle on King Kai's Planet! Goku vs. God of Destruction Beerus', not to mention the former will be much easier to remember (you don't even have to know what the title is). A title such as 'Dragon Ball Super episode 5' is relatively short to compared to most of the episode titles, and it doesn't require you to remember the episode title (remember not everyone knows these re-directs exist so they will think they have to know what the title is). Also, people know they are visiting a Dragon Ball wiki that covers the whole Dragon Ball franchise, so I'm sure no-one would be that dumb or ignorant to type just 'episode 1'. I'm sure this is possible, but if we make so whenever someone types 'DBS' it automatically means 'Dragon Ball Super', for no matter what page it is. For example, someone could type 'DBS chapter 6', 'DBS episode 10' or even 'DBS animation credits' and it will take them to their desired page.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 10:24, July 10, 2015 (UTC)